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majoho · Jun 07, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Oh boy! Way to think outside the box. Obviously, if GW2 is going to be different than GW1, the only other game it can be compared to is WoW, since GW and WoW are the only two games that ever was and ever will be. Yeesh.

Seriously though, GW as it is, is pretty much an FPS, but with customization of characters, a decent story, and lots of loot. The creators simply want to take the more RPG side of GW, and improve upon that. I see nothing wrong with that, nor is it like WoW other than the fact that WoW is also an RPG. Whoop-de-friggin-do.

Well replace WoW with EQ or whatever then.

I just meant if GW2 was very different than GW then it wouldn't really be a "2". Same as if it was exactly the same it wouldn't be a "2" either.

Obviously it will be different but it shouldn't stray too much from the original concept, and personally I like what I've heard about GW2 so far.

I just didn't agree with the (blanket) statement that it should be rather different.

Brianna · Jun 07, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

GW 1 is fine, It wasn't meant to be a negative comment, I was just simply saying that if it is a clone of guild wars 1 then people might not find it to appealing since, i think.. most of the community is ready for a new fresh change, which GW2 will grant i believe. I'm sure guild wars 2 will have most of the important guild wars 1 attributes which is good.

lyra_song · Jun 07, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by upier

surely you know that they didn't add the extra content out of the kindness of their heart?
and knowing that - what's wrong with exercising a bit of pressure?
it's a service - not a charity nor a friendship.

But theres a HUGE difference between customer with a reasonable demand "exercising a bit of pressure", vs a whiny prick who wants everything here and now (not to infer that you are one or the other..in case anyone accuses me of flaming -.-).

If you go to a restaurant and your waiter doesnt come by when you need a glass of water, theres nothing wrong with reminding them about your needs.

But just because its a service industry doesnt mean you treat them like shit, they can only do so much.

Customers with no manners such as "Please" and "Thank You" and "Excuse me". Ive seen customers who just keep harassing the waiter for their food. Come on, its RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing friday night, what do you expect?

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I used to know a guy back in college, he was a real charmer. He usually annoys waiters. He does it for fun, and plays around with them, usually asking for free stuff, like coffee or something. The waiters have a difficult time with him, since he's really friendly and a charmer, its hard to say no to him. In the end he makes it worth their while since he's a very generous tipper, and whatever they bought him, he'd have covered it in the tip already.

My point being, the waiters had to go way out of their way to please him. But he made it worth it.

Anet is already bending to our will. They listen to us in terms of improving the game like no other videogame company i've ever seen in my 20+ years of gaming. So much so that they are downright RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs (this is a joke if you cant tell).

I tell some people to stop making stupid suggestions because Anet takes all of it seriously. Then when the consequences happen, they blame it all squarely on Anet.

You wanna know why HA went to 6v6? Because some people complained that making parties for 8v8 took too long.
You wanna know why HA went back to 8v8? Because some people complained that 6v6 sucked (which it did, imo).
You wanna know why we have loot scaling? Because some people hate bots and they complained that Anet isnt doing anything.
You wanna know why some people are getting accidentally banned? Because some people hate bots and demand Anet ban more bots.
and so on and so forth.

Yes. I know that this is an oversimplification of the matter at hand.

And yes, Anet is at fault too for listening to stupid ideas that are obviously stupid in the first place.

They are doing it to make someone, whos bitching somewhere, about the game, happy.

In the long run all these changes, all these improvements. Everything we bitch about. Its all because we bitched in the first place about something.

Not to say bitching about something is bad in the first place. Because otherwise, how do you improve the game?

The point is, if youre bitching about something or you have an idea for improvement/addition to the game, be aware that Anet takes everything seriously.

Make your complaints/ideas/improvements be heard, knowing full and well the possible outcome of that if such idea is implemented, you'll only get more complaints and unhappy fellow customers as a final inevitability.

lacasner · Jun 07, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Anet is already bending to our will. They listen to us in terms of improving the game like no other videogame company i've ever seen in my 20+ years of gaming.

You do understand with the type of game guild wars is they kind of need to do it.

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They are doing it to make someone, whos bitching somewhere, about the game, happy.

In the long run all these changes, all these improvements. Everything we bitch about. Its all because we bitched in the first place about something.

Not to say bitching about something is bad in the first place. Because otherwise, how do you improve the game?

Plz, be consistent with a position lyra

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And yes, Anet is at fault too for listening to stupid ideas that are obviously stupid in the first place.

"Obviously stupid" is something I'm sure Anet would risk with their product, and don't say 6vs6 is one of these ideas, because it isn't.

Tea Girl · Jun 07, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

So it is the time to make Guild Wars of Worldcraft...

lyra_song · Jun 07, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by lacasner

You do understand with the type of game guild wars is they kind of need to do it.

Yes. But not many companies have bent to player will like Anet has to the point where even stupid ideas get listened to.

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Plz, be consistent with a position lyra

I bitch. You bitch. We all bitch. Some people bitch about good things. Some people bitch about stupid things. Some people bitch for the good of the game. Some people bitch for the good of themselves.

My point is consistent.

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Originally Posted by lyra's bitching

The point is, if youre bitching about something or you have an idea for improvement/addition to the game, be aware that Anet takes everything seriously.

Make your complaints/ideas/improvements be heard, knowing full and well the possible outcome of that if such idea is implemented, you'll only get more complaints and unhappy fellow customers as a final inevitability.

Thats the point.

Quit taking it out of context.

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"Obviously stupid" is something I'm sure Anet would risk with their product, and don't say 6vs6 is one of these ideas, because it isn't.

No. Some ideas were/are obviously stupid. Some are good ideas with just poor adoption. Some are good ideas with poor implementation. Some are bad ideas with good adoption/good implementation.

Which ideas are which is open to debate.

Winterclaw · Jun 07, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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I tell some people to stop making stupid suggestions because Anet takes all of it seriously. Then when the consequences happen, they blame it all squarely on Anet.

You wanna know why HA went to 6v6? Because some people complained that making parties for 8v8 took too long.
You wanna know why HA went back to 8v8? Because some people complained that 6v6 sucked (which it did, imo).
You wanna know why we have loot scaling? Because some people hate bots and they complained that Anet isnt doing anything.
You wanna know why some people are getting accidentally banned? Because some people hate bots and demand Anet ban more bots.
and so on and so forth.

So how long do we have to complain before they fix some of the long lasting graphic problems?

Bryant Again · Jun 07, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Well whether you like it or not, changes are actually necessary because GW in itself is very restrictive and at times stagnant

Of course changes are necessary in a game like this, without a doubt. What're you trying to say?

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Originally Posted by lacasner

plus I did pay for the game, and if Anet decisions to appeal to the customer, I can simply stop paying for it in the future, as well as many other players can as well.

No way does it say you can't. If you don't like the way it's going, stop playing. Don't think that you (the player) can have a large say in what they do change, though. That's the gist of my point.

upier · Jun 07, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

But theres a HUGE difference between customer with a reasonable demand "exercising a bit of pressure", vs a whiny prick who wants everything here and now (not to infer that you are one or the other..in case anyone accuses me of flaming -.-).

you are a user.
and the whining nagging little prick is also a user.

all the whining is addressed towards A.net and not you.
and its a.nets call if they will listen to it or not.

all you can do - as a user - is to support causes you feel worthy or refrain from giving support to those that aren't.
but its definitely not your place to judge ANY "request".
hence - your whining little prick comment is completely unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I tell some people to stop making stupid suggestions because Anet takes all of it seriously. Then when the consequences happen, they blame it all squarely on Anet.

You wanna know why HA went to 6v6? Because some people complained that making parties for 8v8 took too long.
You wanna know why HA went back to 8v8? Because some people complained that 6v6 sucked (which it did, imo).
You wanna know why we have loot scaling? Because some people hate bots and they complained that Anet isnt doing anything.
You wanna know why some people are getting accidentally banned? Because some people hate bots and demand Anet ban more bots.
and so on and so forth.

Yes. I know that this is an oversimplification of the matter at hand.

And yes, Anet is at fault too for listening to stupid ideas that are obviously stupid in the first place.

action house was taken seriously?
so you're telling me that after careful consideration they decided that the hat storage dude was a bigger necessity for the game then an auction house?
or doing something about afk-ing?

and please - do not ever dare suggest that players are accidentally getting banned BECAUSE of other players!
A.net is doing the banning! and they don't do enough research! THAT'S WHY PLAYERS ARE GETTING FALSELY ACCUSED AND BANNED and NOT because of other players! ONCE we'll have access to the "ban"-button then that silly little lie might not be so silly little anymore! NOR a bloody lie!

Bryant Again · Jun 07, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by upier

action house was taken seriously?
so you're telling me that after careful consideration they decided that the hat storage dude was a bigger necessity for the game then an auction house?

It's been discussed elsewhere that an Auction House may not be able to be implemented with Guild Wars' current build i.e. engine. Why they did not implement it in the first place, I do not know.

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Originally Posted by upier

and please - do not ever dare suggest that players are accidentally getting banned BECAUSE of other players!

They're getting banned because of bots, not people. This is one of ANet's lose-lose situations: They can either ignore the bots, banning only occasionally, and people will complain. Or they can increase bot bans drastically, with only a few accidental bans on the side, and still have people complaining.

lacasner · Jun 07, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Of course changes are necessary in a game like this, without a doubt. What're you trying to say?

I'm trying to rebuttal to your point lol, that Anet can think this is their game but they are actually providing a service, and cannot by any means run a dictatorship.

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Don't think that you (the player) can have a large say in what they do change, though. That's the gist of my point.

Not me individually, but a large group of the playerbase yes.

TabascoSauce · Jun 07, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Not me individually, but a large group of the playerbase yes.

That theory is being put to the test right now. They have a new SR implementation on the way. Hopefully, in a few days, we will know if they are responsive - as you say.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 07, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Not to mention Starcraft 2 in few years and GW might face tougher competitions everywhere. Not just the MMORPG genre but FPS (can't wait for Half Life 2: Episode 2) RTS (Starcraft 2) and all the titles in between. Also peoples getting fed up with the ways their being treated and not being able to do certain things on GW anymore.

For me personally, I got a PS3 and Nintendo Wii to keep me happy if somehow GW went out like the dinosaurs!

MSecorsky · Jun 07, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

That theory is being put to the test right now. They have a new SR implementation on the way.

How do you know this is true? I've seen them asking for opinions, but never seen them declare that they're changing how SR works again.

If I'm wrong on this, please point it out.

wynoski · Jun 07, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Infant MMO market? Were they serious?

If infant MMO's game like WoW can have 6 millions buyers, I'd really like to see the "puberty" or "mature".

MMOs are in their infancy in relation to the rest of the computer games market. I have been playing computer games for 28 years and gw for a little over a year...They were just stating that its a new way to make games adn market.

Bryant Again · Jun 07, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by lacasner

I'm trying to rebuttal to your point lol, that Anet can think this is their game but they are actually providing a service, and cannot by any means run a dictatorship.

Ah, and looking back at my previous mainpoint, I seemed to have written it in a matter which, looking back, I do not like.

ANet must change their game, yes. Change is practically inevitable. However, the player has to respect the changes that Anet makes to its game, whether they like it or not (as I said before).

As for the service reference: as far as I can understand, the only service that they are providing is that you can play their game.

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Not me individually, but a large group of the playerbase yes.

Like Tobasco has said, we'll see how that goes. The Shaman class has been completely gimped in WoW for a very long time now, and Blizzard - despite huge uproars from a large number of players - hasn't done a thing to fix it.

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Originally Posted by majoho

I just didn't agree with the (blanket) statement that it should be rather different.

I actually probably wouldn't buy it if it wasn't much different, but that's just me.

TabascoSauce · Jun 07, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

@MSecorsky, hopefully without derailing this thread:

posted at timestamp 05-27-2007, 01:59 PM, page 133 of 141 in the Soul Reaping Changes Discussion + Poll thread.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Small Update: The Soul Reaping changes that the designers had submitted for internal testing have worked out satisfactorily, and the changes to Soul Reaping should be implemented into SR very soon -- a week or two, I'd estimate.
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Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet
The Guild Wars Site

They have not stated what the change(s) are exactly, in case you were curious. As I have said numerous times in that thread, the delay that others berate or mock speaks to me that a serious debate is going on, unfortunately one side is a bunch of mathematically challenged bean-counters that I wonder if they play the game.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

MSecorsky · Jun 07, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

@MSecorsky, hopefully without derailing this thread:

posted at timestamp 05-27-2007, 01:59 PM, page 133 of 141 in the Soul Reaping Changes Discussion + Poll thread.

They have not stated what the change(s) are exactly, in case you were curious. As I have said numerous times in that thread, the delay that others berate or mock speaks to me that a serious debate is going on, unfortunately one side is a bunch of mathematically challenged bean-counters that I wonder if they play the game.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Ah, missed that! Thanks much for the info!

Omega X · Jun 07, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Brianna

GW 1 is fine, It wasn't meant to be a negative comment, I was just simply saying that if it is a clone of guild wars 1 then people might not find it to appealing since, i think.. most of the community is ready for a new fresh change, which GW2 will grant i believe. I'm sure guild wars 2 will have most of the important guild wars 1 attributes which is good.

That's what others said in this thread too but someone is always offended by something.

lyra_song · Jun 07, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Sorry im derailing the thread a little but...ill get back on topic, i promise. ^_^v

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Originally Posted by upier

you are a user.
and the whining nagging little prick is also a user.

all the whining is addressed towards A.net and not you.
and its a.nets call if they will listen to it or not.

all you can do - as a user - is to support causes you feel worthy or refrain from giving support to those that aren't.
but its definitely not your place to judge ANY "request".
hence - your whining little prick comment is completely unnecessary.

If someone's idea, is imo, stupid, i will voice my opinion that it is, indeed, stupid.

I'm no authority on the game, but i call it when i see it, and i dont see the point to holding back. My opinion about someone else's whining is still my opinion.

It concerns me when Anet has to waste important time on stupid ideas when we as a community can point out the stupid ones easily.

If you dont like my opinions, use the ignore feature on the forum. Click "User CP". Then click "Buddy / Ignore List " on the bottom left. Then type my name. Easy and convenient.

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action house was taken seriously?
so you're telling me that after careful consideration they decided that the hat storage dude was a bigger necessity for the game then an auction house?
or doing something about afk-ing?

Well firstly, just because something isnt implemented doesnt mean it wasnt taken seriously. Second, Anet has made their official response to the auction house. Deal with it.

I can guarantee you this however, if it makes you feel better.

If Anet implemented an auctionhouse into GW, someone will bitch about it and then blame Anet squarely, as if Anet was out to get them and ruin their life intentionally.

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and please - do not ever dare suggest that players are accidentally getting banned BECAUSE of other players!
A.net is doing the banning! and they don't do enough research! THAT'S WHY PLAYERS ARE GETTING FALSELY ACCUSED AND BANNED and NOT because of other players! ONCE we'll have access to the "ban"-button then that silly little lie might not be so silly little anymore! NOR a bloody lie!

You wanna buy a strawman

or a clue?

Actually even though that wasnt the point of my post, I'll bite. Maybe you forgot this part of my post.

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Yes. I know that this is an oversimplification of the matter at hand.

The bot farming / mistaken ban problem is very complex situation.

Answer me this: Who buys gold thats been farmed by botters?

Thats right. Your fellow players.

It is not incorrect to say, that the mistaken bans of players for botting, are in fact caused by other player's actions.

My point was that pressure from players to increase action against bots by increasing bannings can be correlated with the increased number of misbans because of the increased number of bans altogether.

Anet is at fault for directly banning players. Yes. I never denied that.
What im saying is, what are some of the driving forces behind those bannings?

Players of course. The want and need to please the population. To prove to us that they give a damn about our bitching about the bots.

Bryant is right though. Its a lose-lose situation.

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I want to return to a point i mentioned earlier about smartphones.

Todays smartphones are reaching the point of usability that laptops are becoming useless for the business professional. It wont take a stretch for smartphones to become the next great gaming platform for MMORPGs.

Not talking about 3d or super complex ones of course, but 2d ones could easily work. Theres already cellphone based games with multiplayer networking.

So ya, heres to hoping.